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Are the ungodly punished in hell?

What will happen to the ungodly after death? Are they punished? Indeed, what will happen to evil men like Adolph Hitler? Do they have a hope in Hell? Will they have to pay for their crimes?

The day of judgement – the ungodly are punished

the wrong way2 Peter 2:9 “The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished :”

This verse clearly shows that the unrepentant wicked will certainly be punished on the day of judgement. Consequently, Adolph Hitler will not escape his crimes! However what is the nature of this punishment? Is it vindictive or restorative and in the interest of the sinner?  What is interesting, is that greek word for punished ‘kolazo’  used here is very specific:

Kolazo (G8249 Strongs)

1. to lop or prune, as trees and wings
2. to curb, check, restrain
3. to chastise, correct, punishment
4. to cause to be punished

Therefore, according to this verse, unrepentant sinners are pruned, corrected and chastised; repentant believers are delivered out of all trials!

Chastised

Discipline and chastising therefore, are only necessary for those who refuse to be trained!

Romans 2:5 “But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous” judgment of God;

Kolaso (G8251 Strongs)

A derivative of the word ‘kolaso’ is also used in the following scripture – often quoted by those who advocate eternal conscious torment!

Matthew 25: “And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: G2851but the righteous into life eternal.” KJV

“And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.’ YLT

Again therefore, the punishment is pruning and discipline for the good of the sinner and his or her ultimate repentance. Additionally, as YLT makes clear, the word for everlasting doesn’t mean for ever: it means for an age – a period of time.

No fear!

Additionally, another scripture where again the same greek word kolaso is used is:

1 John 4:18 “There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. G2851 He that feareth is not made perfect in love.”

Imagine, an unrepentant sinner comes into the presence of Jesus Christ the judge, the God who is described as a consuming fire and yet perfect love! It would like an ice-cube meeting a blow torch!

Indeed, Saul of Tarsus  experienced something like this when he encountered the risen Christ on the Damascus road! It took him three days to recover! Some pretty extensive soul-searching repentance took place – I imagine!

Hebrews 10:31 “It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

Yes, it is if you don’t know the love of God!

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Universalism true?

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Will everyone be saved? Is universalism true?

Will everybody be saved? If your a Calvinist then your answer is most definitely NO: only the few elect chosen by God will be saved; the rest are dammed for a miserable future in hell.

If however, you are of the Arminian persuasion, then your answer will also most likely be: no. It’s up to their free-will choice and to a large extent whether the church preaches the Gospel.

What are the choices?

a few leaves savedThe Calvinist therefore believes that: God chooses the individual. There is no choice!

The Arminian: that the individual chooses God and therefore heaven rather than hell.

Therefore, the Calvinist is sure that God is gracious only to a select few who seem to live in certain cultures and countries of the world.

On the contrary, the Arminian: that God is gracious to all but not all receive it.

 

Both, believe that God’s grace is extended for a limited period – death is the cut-off point.

What if both the Calvinists and Arminians are partly correct and in error? More about that later!

A ransom for all

In either case, it would seem that the majority or people throughout history don’t actually make it to heaven. Either, as per Calvinism because God chose a very small quota of people to be saved in the first place.

Acts 13:48 “And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.”

Or, that not many people chose to respond to the Gospel possibly because the message was corrupted anyway – take the Dark Ages for example.

In that case, was it really worth Jesus paying a king’s ransom – his own painful death – for the sake of few individuals? What’s the point?

1 Timothy 2:6 “Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”

Imagine a hostage situation, where, even though the ransom price has been paid for everyone, only a few hostages are in fact in the end released out of hundreds! Would anyone consider that a successful outcome?

Let’s be real. Can you say, hand on heart, that only saving 2% of the UK population (estimated born-again christians) from eternally burning in hell-fire is at all a successful rescue?

Does God ever Give up?

We will look at this question in the next article!

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The Angel of the Lord

Most theologians will tell you that the term ‘the Angel of the Lord’ is appearance of the Lord Jesus in the Old Testament. To be honest, I am uncomfortable with this idea and believe it to be completely wrong.

Who is he?

angelFirstly: the word angel means messenger. So, how can the messenger of the Lord – be the Lord? This really doesn’t make any sense at all.

Now, people will say: he speaks in the first person – so he must be God? However, this ignores the fact that as God’s representative and messenger- that’s perfectly normal – even to the extent of reverence.

The book of Hebrews tells us that God did speak before Jesus but, that He’s spoken to us in these last days through his son. If the Angel of the Lord was the son in pre-incarnate form – then he has spoken several times already!

Hebrews 1:1 “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”

Acts 7

Secondly, several New Testament writers clearly show that the personage of the Angel of the Lord in the OT is not a pre-existent appearance of the Son of God: Jesus Christ. The following: is part of the martyr Stephen’s address. Note, he doesn’t suggest the Angel of the Lord is Jesus Christ to his Jewish listeners which would have actually been a powerful theological point!

Acts 7 “And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush.”

Acts 7:38 “This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:”

He’s in the New Testament

Thirdly, the Angel of the Lord appears IN the New Testament. In fact, at the birth of Jesus and at the resurrection! He can hardly be both persons at the same time – even if He (Jesus) is God! Later on in Acts, the Angel of the Lord appears in order to set Peter free from prison. In addition, he strikes Herod down with worms because of blasphemy. Indeed, the Angel of the Lord is a fearsome person. He doesn’t act at all emotionally or with any mercy and grace:

2 Kings 19 “And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.”

Therefore, he seems to be very much a destroying warrior and protecting angel. That hardly seems to equate with the character of Jesus Christ who alone fully reveals God as He is the perfect image of God. An angel, although greater and power and might than human beings – could never do that. They know nothing of God’s love! Only reflecting his power and might.

In conclusion, I don’t believe Jesus Christ was ever an angel (even a mighty one). Until the incarnation of Jesus no one had seen God at any time:

John  1:18 “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”

This explains, in my view, the apparent inconsistencies in the Old Testament where several people – including Moses –  claim to have seen God. I think they were mistaken. What they saw were angels not the face of God! This could also explain the harshness of the Law of Moses which several scriptures inform us was given by angels. That’s for next post though!

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The gift of prophecy

In this video we delve into the gift of prophecy. Give us some feedback. Tell us what you think?

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Speaking in Tongues?

In this video we delve into the whole contentious area of speaking with other tongues or languages. Give us some feedback. Tell us what you think?

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Who get’s to play?

Question: Who get’s to play?

Video Summary.

The word church

Did you know that the word church is not in the original Bible. The greek work is  ecclesia (assembly)

If you want to know the true meaning of a word see how it’s been used throughout the Bible.

The problem with words is that they mean different things to different people. For some church is the building. Other’s its a particular meeting on a Sunday.

The word means to gather: political meetings. A coming together of believers.

Acts 19:32

“Some therefore cried one thing, and some another: for the assembly (church or ecclesia) was confused; and the more part knew not wherefore they were come together.”

What do you do at church? What did they do in Acts and the Epsitles?

Come together!

1 Corinthians 14: Whenever you come together –   each of you. Not a few. ALL.

1 Corinthians 14:26 “How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.”

This is very much the American Supper idea in the previous post. Everyone get’s to play not a select and anointed few.

The common objection to this is that result is chaos? Paul gives guidelines: Prophecy someone else wants to say something –  shut up!  In mots churches today the only one who gets to speak is the pastor!

Just because everyone is involved doesn’t mean that everything has to be spontaneous. There is room for preparation. It’s unlikely that every one will bring potatoes.  

What we missing out? Missing out on variety!

Often today its all about the teaching gift.

Romans 12:6

Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecylet us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; Or ministrylet us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that givethlet him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.

1 Corinthians 12:10 

For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

Allot more variety than we experience!

How would God assemble the church?  – assemble a bit of furniture.

Is seeker friendly church God’s plan?

Church is not a place where you bring people to evangelise. We should be equipped to go to people.

Evangelism isn’t a gift.  An evangelist is a person.

Pastoring isn’t a gift. A pastor is a person.

Stuck on the ground

If the church was an airfield most of the planes are either stuck in the hangars or on the ground.

 

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Priesthood of all believers

Question: What is the priesthood of all believers?

1 Peter 2:4

“Coming to him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also as living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.”

Revelation 5:10

“And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.”

 

Summary?

As John Wimber once said: “Church should be a place where everyone gets to play!”

What is a priest?

A priest is a special person that represents the people to God and God to the people. They are a mediator.

In the OT only a certain type of person was a priest. In the New Covenant ALL believers are priests.

One mediator

1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”

Example: An Estate Agent is a mediator.

Therefore, as a believer you are qualified to : worship ( no worship leader necessary), celebrate communion, pray, intercede, prophecy, baptise and evangelise. 

Becoming a christian was your graduation!

Religion – clergy and laity

Religion = someone in between.The blessed virgin Mary.

A priest, a pastor, a rev. They do the work of the ministry ( the above). They are the professionals or clergy. They are anointed; the rest of the church are the laity.

Who does the work of the ministry?

Ephesians 4:11 “And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;”   WHY?

“For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:”

No one has all 5! 

The gift IS the person (some). The purpose is to equip.

Example : Driver Trainer

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My job is to impart my skills and knowledge. How does someone learn to drive?

Restaurant or American Supper

What I’ve noticed over the years, is that many churches have moved to a restaurant model. To be fair, that’s because the food is so bad they decided to employ experts! Therefore you get great worship, sermon and environment. However after a while, the same great food eaten every week – starts to taste bland. There is no participation you are an audience.

An American supper model however, seems closer to what the earl church practiced. Everyone contributes something. Everybody is involved! Everyone learns!

You still have leadership or those more mature and experienced. However, they don’t do everything they lead others to do what they are doing!

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